Look like tis thread seems to keep reviving..
1) About the church building....
someone mentioned that it is "extravagrant"; with swimming pool,
plamas
TV.. well.. basically i don't see anything wrong with that. As
Christians. we
do believe that the house of God should be built with excellence in
mind..i think it is matter of perception.. the person who mentioned
this point should not judge.. my question to this gentleman is ..."
are you from CHC? Did u contribute anything?" , If not as an
outsider, i guess it is only right that u respect other people's
work.. if CHC wants to put plamas screen , swimming pool.. ( &
by the way, it is more of a baptism pool than a swimming poo).. why
does it concerns u to criticise?
Well, some nations never contribute to US cause in the Iraq war.
So they can not criticise tis policy ? The fighting between the
neighbours of joo chiat get dirtier by the day, I do not contribute
anything to it so I can not comment on it ? I don't think tat is
the case man... we r free to criticise anything we want, if we can
give reasons for it. Tat is why it is called free speech isn't it ?
If CHC guys only take in criticism and comments from its own
members and not from other sources, then CHC guys r really
shortsighted and cut off from the world
About building extravagant buildings, I believe tat there should
have a limit to it. Sure... u can make it as excellent as u want...
but at wat cost ? The money from 16000 for a 40,000,000 building
just mean tat each member has contributed a whopping $25,000 on
average. And tis is just the bottom line. They got to pay for the
furnitures, plasma TVs, maintenance fees, the money for father kang
and his bungalows and cars, HYS album buying etc, probably each
member have to pay much more than tat. Some members r really too
deep into the religion to think rationally. I am pretty sure not
all the members r rich or even average. Imagine they still have to
keep paying minimum of 10% of their money to the church AND the
building funds for the church. I do know of some CHC people and boy
r they scrimping and saving money just to tilth. U think tat is
fair to them ? Their own house is like sh!t while the church to
make god egoistic r so grand.
2)Sun
At least she is honest to admit her past.. All of us have bad
pasts..of course sun's intention is thru her testimony..she can
bring hope and encouragement to those who have walked her past..
now i dun mean that the person will have 42 bf or gf..at least
someone who go thru a similar experience will feel hey if sun who
has failed in the past can stand up & walk again.. y not
me..?
Remember.." He who is without sin..let him cast the first
rock.."
Honest ? Who get to go through 42 boyfriends like her ? It
appears to be like some bragging session where she get to boast of
her high number of boyfriends. Give hope and encourgaement ? To
me... it just show people tat those people suffering from
depression r the kind tat is most vulnerable to join a
religion.
Sure, everyone sin... but how much people "zuo jian zhi zi" or
cheapen themselves like HYS here ? If u ask me "those who never
cheapen themselves... cast the first stone". I am gonna cast it
man... I am pretty sure generally singaporean girls have a higher
respect of their body and reputation than HYS.
whatever detractors may say.. CHC will still function as normal
on a weekly basis,Sun will still carry on her life impacting
concerts....
Watever u say, there will always be people talking about it
everyday and everytime as well. Life impacting ? To her members
only bah !
" chc members are under spell and they don't know what they are
doing just blindly follow & give their money just like that..",
my question is with a membership of 16 000 members.. i don't think
all 16 000 are "so stupid" as to be conned.. if they pay their
tithes, it means....they believe in a vision that chc leadership
has set or according to the bible to tithe their income as stated
in Malachi 3.. think about it.. what is the odds of "conning" 16
000 members
U think too little of religion. There r certainly more than
16000 people attempting to suicide bombing of fight for their
religion. Is tilthing money more difficult then killing himself ?
Why don't I ask u, can u swear to me tat the majority of the people
in CHC don't tilth more than 10% ?
well u have a reason to criticise if they have build a building
using tax payers' money.. if not just leave them alone.. it is easy
for us to see the bad side of people why not focus on what they r
doing to help the community ? building schools, orphanages in third
world countries,feeding thehungry..they have a community service
arm.. that reaches out to troubled teens, elderly & the
inteclectually disabled....surely they deserve credit fot these
right?
How about the members themselves ? R they being helped ? They
spend too mch of their money and the practise of "miracle heals" r
meant to cheat the members. There is even a forumers saying tat her
sister refuse to go for medical treatment because she "believes"
her religion has healed her, which clearly didn't, resulting in the
situation where her conditions deteriote and need long term
medication. Don't u think tat is cheating ? The church even claims
tat donating more money accumulates "credit" to spiritual
investments, allowing them to have a higher chance of getting into
heaven. Isn't tat cheating again ? wat is the difference between
pulling votes by promising members heaven in malaysia and CHC ? CHC
use reliigon to pull money instead of votes instead ?
